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阳江人从那里来

楼主 曾昭铁塘边二于 2012-07-29 22:31:48

阳江人从那里来

[P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman] [/SIZE][FACE=Times New Roman]阳江人从那里来[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman] [/FACE][/FACE][/P][P][FACE=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]阳江人从：一：宋末吴妃之乱，百家南迁。[/SIZE][/FACE][/P][P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman] [/SIZE][FACE=Times New Roman]二：崖山兵败，南宋大量亡国遗民隐居。[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman] [/FACE][/FACE][/P][P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman]这两处来。[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman] [/SIZE][/FACE][/P][P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman] [/SIZE][FACE=Times New Roman]广东东南沿海一带的人群和村庄[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]包括岛屿[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]，于南宋灭亡[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](1279[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]年[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]之前大都是荒无人烟的滩涂，于宋、元、明的百年向，南宋亡国之臣民始迁于这些世外桃园，开始至今的艰辛繁衍之旅。一般族群都是二十多代，而崖山兵败[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](1279[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]年[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]、逃出生天的福建浦东赵家堡之赵若和一族，至今已衍至三十二代。并且我大隆房七世祖广忠公生于[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]1602[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]年，八世祖守仁、高魁诸公于康熙元年[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](1662[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]年[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]奉绍迁界，而阳江对岸曾族八世祖德选公亦于康熙四年奉绍迁界于城[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]阳江城[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]外卖油巷，[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]黄氏族谱亦有康熙元年之迁界亊[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]所以，我族开基祖应是明嘉靖年间之人，接岭头村谱[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]耕莘公南迁时间为[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]1135[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]年[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]之间的三百七十年间的族史，是值得研究的，[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman] [/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]！我们在研空族史的同时，应结合当时的历史大背景。不是么？[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman] [/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]还有，清制并没有袭明制，明制是：县、乡、都、图。清制是：县、[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]乡[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]？堡、时清乾隆十二年，我平章是堡，堡长曾孔兆[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]大隆裔九世祖[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]即多祥公[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]，有族谱和勒石作凭证。[/FACE][/FACE][/P][P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman]阳江曾族和海陵曾族又是从那里来的呢？[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman] [/SIZE][/FACE][/P][P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman] [/SIZE][FACE=Times New Roman]一：成吉思汗三十五代传人—腾格尔于[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]1964[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]年[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]9[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]岁，今是[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]57[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]岁。而成吉思汗孙子忽必烈于[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]1279[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]年灭南宋，时年[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]65[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]岁，也就是说：崖山宋亡至今[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]2012[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]1279[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]是[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]733[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]年，而忽必烈到腾格尔之儿子辈是三十三代。[/FACE][/FACE][/P][P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman]二：福建浦西赵家堡开基祖是赵匡美十世孙赵若和[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/SIZE][FACE=Times New Roman]崖山兵败时年[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]14[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]岁[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]衍至[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]2003[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]年赵中林[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](92[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]岁[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]，三十代孙，族中辈份最高，最低最小赵宏伟[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](4[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]岁[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]，三十六代孙。[/FACE][/FACE][/P][P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman]三：耕莘、芸莘南迁时是[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]1135[/SIZE][FACE=Times New Roman]年[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]另一说为咸淳十年即[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]1275[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]年[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]，衍至今各有多少代呢？[/FACE][/FACE][/P][P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman]四：仕贵、仕行[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/SIZE][FACE=Times New Roman]中美公六代孙[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]衍至今三十二代。[/FACE][/FACE][/P][P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman]五：昭此看[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]1279[/SIZE][FACE=Times New Roman]年至今一般都衍三十代以上，而曾族祥字辈[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](77[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]派[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]，减去三十代是四十七派，按此推算：我族祖宗于崖山兵败时[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](1279[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]年[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]也就是宋末元初南迁时约为四十五至四十七派左右。[/FACE][/FACE][/P][P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman]六：曾据[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](15[/SIZE][FACE=Times New Roman]派[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]南迁是公元十年，到[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]1279[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]年是[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]1270[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]年到四十五派是三十代，平均每代超过四十岁，这中间代数必有错漏。[/FACE][/FACE][/P][P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman]为什么阳江人每个族郡繁衍代数都是二十多代，比不上腾格尔[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/SIZE][FACE=Times New Roman]族[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]，赵若和族，仕贵[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]族[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]、仕行[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]族[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]？他们都是宋末开族，而二十多代之族群是明朝中业开族，之前十代是在动荡的社会中[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]宋末元朝至明初[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]不断千徒，居无定所，更甚者找不到渊源，生般硬续[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]某族之祖先是某某[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]，这也许就是〈阳江人从那里来〉这一命题产生之原因。[FACE=Times New Roman](后续)[/FACE][/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman] [/FACE][/FACE][/P]

1楼 曾昭铁塘边二于 2012-07-29 22:33:42

阳江人从那里来(续上)

[P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman]又对[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman] [/SIZE][FACE=Times New Roman]阳江对岸曾氏族谱考论[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman] [/FACE][/FACE][/P][P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman]一：新会岭头村〈曾氏重修族谱〉载：若橓【五十派】生三子，长晟，次晃，三昶。晃【五十一】生三子，长耕莘，次芸莘，三逸莘。耕莘【五十二】生三子，长康辅，次康保，三康佑。[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman] [/SIZE][FACE=Times New Roman]康保【五十三】生二子，长荣，次耀。荣【五十四】生四子，长福，次禄，三成，四通。三子观成迁新宁上阁村；四子迁阳江榴檬根。[/FACE][/FACE][/P][P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman]二；对岸曾氏族谱载：上始祖承本公，生六子，长广新公，四子广德公[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/SIZE][FACE=Times New Roman]又名崇德[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]，崇德生香公—生兴公—生胜公—生仁宽公【此为上始祖共六代】，仁宽公生万石公[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]阳江开基始祖[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]即一世祖，万石生六子【进、益、添、旺、庆、颙】二世祖颙公居对岸，世系简图如下[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]其中一直系[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]：万石[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](1)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—颙[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](2)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—道盛[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](3)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—大悦[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](4)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—雨升[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](5)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—士敏[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](6)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—胜可[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](7)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—德选[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](8)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—孔环[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](9)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—捷桂[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](10)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—胤参[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](11)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—宪章[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](12)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—泮东[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](13)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—国连[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](14)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—始洋[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](15)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—敏徳[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](16)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—洋番[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](17)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—显腾[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](18)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—宪彩[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](19)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]。—庆[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](20)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—繁[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](21)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—祥[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](22) [/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]。[/FACE][/FACE][/P][P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman]三：海陵圹边曾氏族谱栽，世系简图如下[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/SIZE][FACE=Times New Roman]其中一直系[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]：大隆[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](1)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—述溪[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](2)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—伯和[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](3)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—上进[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](4)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]一一兰[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](5)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—崇禹[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](6)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—广恩[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](7)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—高魁[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](8)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—多棋[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](9)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—从懋[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](10)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—志健[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](11)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—纯亨[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](12)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—利校[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](13)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—应彬[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](14)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—光拔[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](15)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]仕伟[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](16)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—在满[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](17)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—昭[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](18)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—宪[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](19)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—庆[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](20)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—繁[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](21)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]—祥[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman](22)[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]。[/FACE][/FACE][/P][P][FACE=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]四：冯峥先生和阳江曾氏宗亲会，定仁宽公即岭头村谱之观通公，疑向：仁宽公以上五代是否是观通公以上五代？[/SIZE][/FACE][/P][P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman]五：对岸德选公[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/SIZE][FACE=Times New Roman]八世祖[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]亅和海陵高魁公[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]八世祖[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]和守仁，守义等诸兄弟[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]第八世祖多人[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]一同都是康熙初年奉绍迁界，而广忠[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]海陵谱载[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]生辰是[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]1602[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]年[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]七世祖[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman])[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]。对岸族谱是十世祖逢鼎公始修，海陵平章圹边房谱亦由十世祖起尧公挨门别户、遍访而始修。由这些对比、推论，海陵八世祖与对岸八世祖是同一时期人，七世祖胜可公与海陵七世祖广忠公又是同时期人。[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman] [/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]对岸十世祖逢鼎公与海陵十世祖起尧公亦是同时期人。海陵开基一世祖大隆公亦应与对岸一世祖万石公为同一时期人。[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman] [/FACE][/FACE][/P][P][SIZE=3][FACE=Times New Roman]六：然而海陵平章山禁述陵房谱[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]([/SIZE][FACE=Times New Roman]该谱是有东宗审核长方形印，南宗总局省身念祖圆形印，辛亥木刻版[/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]) [/FACE][FACE=Times New Roman]记载：大隆【五十六派】，述陵【五十七派】，而大隆上溯至岭头村谱是这样记载的：观成【五十派】—孟齐【五十一派】—郎【五十二派】—远宗【五十三派】—始祖【五十四派】—志【五十五派】—长子大隆【五十六派】次子嗣荣【五十六派】。[/FACE][/FACE][/P][P][FACE=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]如此，观成与观通为胞兄弟，比大隆公长六辈，如观通公即仁宽公，那么仁宽公之子万石公衍至祥字辈是二十二代，大隆公衍至祥字辈也是二十二代，而万石公又要比大隆公长五辈，这不是矛盾重重吗？[/SIZE][/FACE][/P][P][FACE=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]——阳江曾族那里来？终将是宗圣南支千古之谜。[/SIZE][/FACE][SIZE=26pt][/SIZE][/P]

2楼 曾昭演于 2012-07-30 22:43:50

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3楼 曾繁宁英德于 2012-08-01 10:30:47

楼主的历史事实分析详实!我们上次江门--阳江访宗行，也探索过这里开基发展的曾氏与南宋(末期)的历史。观点基本一至，据了解，崖山那还立有一个纪念南宋历史史实!

4楼 曾昭铁塘边二于 2012-08-01 13:58:52

[P]第一个是二世祖(大隆公三子)述溪公墓，即现存之〈述溪曾公祠〉。述溪，字瑶，故碑文为明显二世祖讳瑶曾太公之墓。(与祖妣同碑)[/P][P]第四个碑是康熙元年海陵岛迁界运动之记录，也为证据之一。[/P]

5楼 曾繁宁英德于 2012-08-02 13:46:59

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